Benefits Of Cleansing & How To Get Started Podcast With Suzy Wilson

Suzy: Hello listeners welcome back to our session this week. Today I have with me Kimballe Robyzen who is a Naturopath, Herbalist, Nutritionist, Iridologist and Bio-resonance Practitioner. He specializes in prescribing and compounding personalized nutritional and herbal formulas using his bio-resonance testing. Digestion has been a very big part of Kimballe’s healing journey starting in fact 15 years ago. It led his clinical practice towards all aspects of dysbiosis such as leaky gut, allergies, parasites, microbial and detoxification. Kimballe is passionate about helping his clients achieve their health goals by designing personalized health plans that offer sustainable benefits throughout their life you can find Kimballe online which I will leave the details below these broadcasts, he’s also available and based on the Gold Coast and Brisbane in Australia. Welcome Kimballe!

Kimballe: Thank you Suzy, it’s a great pleasure to be here with you and I’m looking forward to our discussion today.

Suzy: So, we were having just a little pre-chat last week about all things cleansing and that’s what we wanted to really focus on today is what you call cleansing and some might know as fasting and even that in itself we haven’t had a conversation about because we have as humans get quite fearful of the word fasting and in fact even sometimes cleansing I think don’t they, so we’re trying to make it more approachable for people so they don’t find it so scary and that it’s not something that they have to steer away from that it’s not as bad as maybe what they’re anticipating. So, it’s great to be able to have you on and because fasting’s been quite a big part in my healing journey myself just in the last year and more and I was just speaking to someone before in fact when I was going through chemotherapy the research came up around the huge benefits of fasting 36 hours before chemo and 24 hours afterwards which was a practice I implemented so I’ve continued to do that and do water fast etc, but when we were talking the other day it was just like you know people do and I notice it myself people get nervous about fasting or even as we said cleansing so I guess I’m interested to hear from you, what are some of the ways that you find works with your with your clients what are some of the approaches that you’ve used and even if you even wanted to start with a little bit about what your journey has been because I think often there’ll be people out there that can relate to your journey, you know like we often can hear our story in another story so I do like the wholeness of storytelling as well as much as you feel like you’d like to share on that and yeah where do you see cleansing fitting in and how that works for you with the clients that come across your path.

Kimballe: Great questions, it’s a very broad topic and very personal one to me and so I really enjoy sharing my experience and journey with it all and I’ve really discovered the profound health benefits in all areas of my life really so it did start with digestion being one of the core aspects, it was a bit like a burnout kind of healing crisis of its own over 15 years ago and you know, it was a very sort of overwhelming and confusing process as I was exploring all the different approaches and eventually of course it led me into doing further studies and eventually becoming a Naturopath and studying lots of extra modalities and on that went.

Suzy: Oh, wow so you were in a Naturopath before this?

Kimballe: No, my first career was an Interior Architecture actually.

Suzy: There you go, so now you’re an interior architecture of a body instead.

Kimballe: Yes, in fact there’s a lot of similarities, I approach each case each client’s life in the same kind of foremost project management design conceptual approach where I like to implement those same strategies. I do enjoy collaborating with other practitioners in that studio sense and I do apply a lot of those tools that I developed over those years, it’s interesting.

Suzy: See nothing ever goes to waste, does it?

Kimballe: No, I’ve really you know, now that I’m really settled in this role I think a lot of that experience has been very valuable as well as being very involved in the corporate sector and what that life’s like and the traps of that which I fell into myself and just having that familiarity makes it very easy for me to relate to my client’s health journeys and struggles and symptoms and things because I’ve had so many of them myself and you know over the course of that and then of course having the healing journey or the focus on healing thereafter is part of the process that I’m sharing with them as we work together.

Suzy: Can I just ask, I’ve just had a thought, what made you go down the mainstream path for your own healing journey 15 years ago? Were you already sort of a bit bent that way or? Like I always find it interesting how we end up on the path that we end up on trying to find our health.

Kimballe: We’re always quite alternative as a family, we used to go to a biochemist and an Iridologist actually when we were kids. When they discovered I had a bit of an asthma issue as a young child and did different things so it was kind of always an interest to do things to explore that more natural approach to health, so I think that was always part of our kind of family culture in a sense but there was you know during the course of time there’s been a lot of understandings about you know things we didn’t know about back then was wheat and leaky gut and what are these things and histamine and so like there’s a whole range of aspects that that takes a lot more focus and study and I think clinical application to really understand that in detail that we need to these days.

Suzy: We’ve got our information that we have now compared to 15 years ago about the gut is like it’s huge isn’t, it’s massive. Like 15 years ago we really didn’t know anything, I don’t even know if the term ‘leaky gut’ we only had IBS, I don’t even know if leaky gut was or ‘permeable gut’ was even invented back then.

Kimballe: Well, no it’s probably quite a recent development to really recognize this whole permeability factor of the gut.

Suzy: Yeah, so take me then to some of the work and what we’re doing, one of the messages you wanted to really talk to people and get out there was that cleansing in fact can be achievable like some of the things that you how you see cleansing maybe is a good place for us to start maybe like, how do you define cleansing?

Kimballe: Thank you yeah, I term it cleansing, I think it’s a bit more of a user-friendly approach because it is in different grades so your detoxification sounds a bit heavy going and might be quite a confronting process but you know and it may involve fasting and it may not so there’s many different ways to enter into cleansing and I’m very passionate about it because it’s a real it what it does is it creates like a mini metabolic challenge for us you know this whole blood sugar balance insulin resistance aspect I think that’s what often makes anyone cautious around fasting or cleansing or calorie restriction or anything like that because they’re in the situation where they are quite carbohydrate dependent in their metabolic state and so when they when they miss a meal or they don’t have any um food intake for a while then they’ll their blood sugar will drop and then things will feel a bit uncomfortable and the mood swings and energy will drop and cravings and things will creep in and so I think that creates a natural hesitancy around you know trying to do something more you know lengthier versions of that so I really do understand how most people will have that caution and also you know there’s many different approaches you know rather than going in for a boots and all hardcore deep cleanse that’s something that you would reserve until you’ve done smaller lighter versions so it’s really like a light entry into something like this yeah and that’s why I like to encourage to do it on a regular basis so even so even weekly my current schedule now is two days a week I’ll do cleansing which for me you know by you know over the last few years is basically fasting with some supplements and herbs and things some anti-inflammatory things maybe some binders but it’s basic it’s basically without meals and that keeps me in that mindset and so whoever’s wanting to do something around boosting their immunity or supporting their digestion or just simply cleansing toxins from their body, then if they’re doing some effort in some small degree on a more regular basis then it’s something that becomes more front of mind something that you make efforts towards and it might be just soup it might be bone broth it might be green juices there’s many different ways to do it that still includes some food it’s all drinks of some kind, but at least you’re chipping away a little bit each time it’s not something that you put in a too hard basket or put aside for spring or something like that because we need to do more of it these days.

Suzy: 1st of January

Kimballe: Yes, that right so it’s becoming more and more relevant not only because we have more toxins to deliberate from the body but also, it’s a great boost to the immune system because our immune system is 70% built around that right?

Suzy: yeah and that’s what I was going to ask you like if you wanted just to talk a little bit about and I want to come back to intermittent fasting as well because I think that’s a word that you know a lot of people talk about now and are starting to feel more comfortable with that in fact so even for your 5-2 even if people can practice doing an intermittent a 16 8 or a or a 18 4 or whatever like or even less then at least we’re starting because all we really are wanting to do is mimic what our body has done our body was when it was invented it didn’t have a supermarket to go to and get all the food from so we’re really just mimicking that opportunity and maybe if you wanted to talk a little bit more about immune and also about you know like when we’re digesting food we can’t we can’t cleanse our body can only do one thing or the other it can’t digest like when we eat food and it can’t cleanse at the same time so I don’t know if you want to speak on that for us just a little bit.

Kimballe: Yeah absolutely, yeah totally in agreement there Suzy because you know in the past we had food scarcity we had winters we had many natural involuntary opportunities for the body to do that cleansing process and I think it’s always been part of the way the body looks after itself so now we do need to with the fact that you know food is so available that we do need to schedule in that that food scarcity or all that avoidance of food because you’re quite right they are in sort of natural opposition to each other within the body when we eat something the body can’t neglect it can’t avoid it so it must metabolize it and absorb it and that’s all anabolic for growth for repair for healing and all of that so for detoxification it’s almost like turning the wheels around so rather than taking in and metabolizing and distributing substances it’s now needing to turn that around and actually draw and funnel these things through the elimination channels to exit the body so they are quite in polar opposite that’s why fasting is so powerful because even in the intermittent version which as you explain there’s many patterns you know you might just miss breakfast but you can close the eating window and that’s basically how I eat every day anyway so I’m doing intermittent fasting as a general lifestyle, I really can’t imagine how I used to fit three meals in a day actually. So when we turn off that switch through the fasting it activates all of these autophagy which is the cellular cleansing it gets the lymphatics going and it is good to do you know you can you can promote it further with infrared saunas and light exercise to keep the thyroid going and a range of things that can deepen the elimination of the toxins but the fasting is like the switch so it gives the body permission then to start doing the elimination and it’s very difficult for it to do that in the presence of the ongoing snacking and grazing in that way and so you know sleep ends up being the main opportunity the body has to do that but you know for that short amount of time with our ongoing toxins and lifestyle and stress and leaky gut and all of these other complications these days preservatives and food and so many unnatural elements that our body’s trying to adapt to and integrate and the rising immune challenges this becomes one of the most profound things we can do for health.

Suzy: It’s interesting isn’t it because we we’ve got ourselves into a state where we’re fighting our own selves we’re fighting our own body because we don’t match in with the rhythms that we were that our body’s gifted with and even the circadian rhythms of the earth as well like the old scenes if you don’t eat when the sun goes down you know you only eat when the sun’s up and those types of things that I think are worthwhile remembering like because often people will like you say that we have an opportunity to cleanse when we sleep but some people don’t maybe go to sleep until 12 o’clock and then they’re awake again at 5 and then and then they might be eating and having their last midnight snack at 11 o’clock if you if you’re that type of person as well because they’re all habits that we get into right they’re all habits we can’t sleep so then we get up we walk around we get a snack we do this we do that and I think that you know those habits in getting and being mindful that we have to connect back into our circadian rhythm we have to connect back into our body and I just wanted to share when I teach colonics, I’m teaching about the digestive system obviously but you know I like people to think about any small intestines you’ve got little cleaners they’ve got little brooms and after you don’t have anything in your stomach for four hours those little cleaners come in and they you know your little villi’s so you got your little villi’s at this end so they come in and they clean out in between they clean all the mess in there but there has to be no food for four hours as soon as they get an inkling that you’ve got food so that would mean a hormonal response right you’ve got food coming in because it’s all the digestive hormones that determine what’s going on in there, as soon as they get that sense, then those little cleaners are out of there so we haven’t had an opportunity to clean in there you know what I mean so if we’re constantly eating not only are our cleaners not getting done because we can’t leave food sitting in our stomach at rots and then we will die so that is the opposition that you’re talking about it really is that simple right?

Kimballe: Yeah that’s right and that’s why I find sort of preparing the metabolism to be more qualified to be able to be more flexible and be able to produce energy from the different macros be it carbohydrate protein and fat because if we are more carbohydrate dependent in our metabolism it’s very difficult for us to avoid eating constantly because sugars metabolized so quickly and so this sort of grazing snacking lifestyle tends to be, you know, the way that a carb-centric diet uh needs to follow because of this quick metabolic rate of carbohydrates and so for that’s been kind of the key approach or tips that I’ve been sharing with my clients is that the new hero really is the healthy fats because if you’re going to reduce the carbohydrates you need to replace it with something else and so the fats become the new secret weapon of sorts because then that will metabolize it’s like polar opposite, it’ll metabolize much slower it’ll balance the blood sugar and so then you’re not so exposed to a vulnerable to blood sugar dropping and cravings and things like that it becomes a lot easier you enter that ketogenic state a lot more readily and so if you if you miss a meal or you have a day of fasting you just burn the fat off your body and you’re turning over those toxins stored in the adipose tissue and so it becomes a really kind of simple like seamless transition for your body because you’ve trained it or given it more practice to metabolize other macros into energy and not be so dependent on the carbohydrates.

Suzy: I read someone talking about fasting once and they talk about how our sugars are our cheap foods it’s our cheap fuel that’s stored in our liver and then we have our expensive fuel our fat fuel and it’s stored in our freezer the problem is that we never get to our freezer because we’ve constantly got our cheap source going on there, right?

Kimballe: Yes, that’s right the glycogen in the liver will last you 24 hours no problem.

Suzy: Yeah, and it’s hard for us to get our head around that isn’t it because something you said before I just want to bring up now is around you know we sometimes will say to a person you know to go to do a fast or to do a cleanse and you can see them retract it’s like oh my god really you’re going to cut off my head like I can’t do this!

Kimballe: I do have to enter that topic very delicately for sure.

Suzy: Yeah and it’s like it’s interesting now isn’t it how we we’ve so when I think about that so we’ve actually equated, we’ve equated being hungry as being uncomfortable whereas when I feel hungry I go, oh that’s such a good feeling to feel empty my body can now do what it needs to do like I’ve actually taught myself if I don’t feel hungry every day I worry do what I mean because it’s like why aren’t I feeling that hunger anymore like what have I eaten too much but I think it comes back to we feel uncomfortable, we equate hungry with being uncomfortable and I find that interesting, maybe it’s because that’s our makeup, I don’t know.

Kimballe: Yeah and there’s a bit of an interest out there I hear this quite regularly this idea of intuitive eating you know so listen to yourself you know that’s quite a complicated approach because are you responding to your blood sugar dropping but as you say hunger itself is actually a very healthy sign that your body is actually cleaning house and it should be welcomed and enjoyed and I think that’s what’s really given me a lot of confidence and appreciation for the hunger when once a week I’m having this gap from food and I actually go deeper into that I don’t really necessarily experience hunger in that sense like I used to because of my metabolic flexibility these days but you know it’s more the hollowness or a little bit of a grumble here and there or it’s just nice to feel that you get into that fully empty state knowing that your body is actually doing a lot of really great processes for you on your behalf in the absence of food and just to have that contrast between the fullness of food what that’s like and what it’s like to function without it I think it’s a really interesting experience to dip in and out and to challenge yourself around things that you may be more attached to and so that that gives you a way of really gauging your metabolic state but as well as your relationship with those foods and drink choices.

Suzy: Totally and it’s like I think it can lead us into a lot of other areas because it really comes back to the end of the day it comes back to self-discipline and it comes back to being aware about what our compulsion is what our gluttony is you know like we are such an abundant, mostly, an abundant earth as in there’s not many people that don’t have a pantry of food in Australia that of some sort and I’m not negating the poverty in the world please don’t hear that the wrong way people but in general in the western world, people have a lot of food and we see the lot of the wastage of food you know so there is that whole sense there that we we’ve got more and we see the panic that people go into when they can’t get to a supermarket for a day like forget about any strikes or anything but just if it’s closed Christmas day or something like people have to go and buy truckloads of food so it’s interesting how we’ve and sometimes I do wonder if this is like just our wiring from our primal days of having to stock up in the caves because we’re still thinking like that in our primitive brain but our conscious brain knows that it’s all right we’ve got a supermarket down the road tomorrow.

Kimballe: Yeah, and unless you’re in that sort of high healthy fat paleo keto style of eating you would naturally panic because you really don’t survive very well by missing a meal or a day without food so that’s really the key secret weapon I really do find that and so initially it’s about just overlaying these healthy fats on top of the existing diet and it will naturally displace those other calories and choices and cravings and energy and things like, everything tends to level out so it’s like a self-regulating approach you can feel more calm fats are like a nerve iron so everything balances out unless everything is less overwhelming because the blood sugar is not doing such a steep roller coaster in that sense and so you can relax around food shortages in fact, in my sort of personal life socially and otherwise I’m often looking for an opportunity to miss a meal because it’s like you know obviously the food choices won’t be the same where I’m going and I’m not attached to whatever foods going around I’m quite happy to just be very selective around what I’m eating because it serves my health better rather than sort of committing to a whole plate of food I know I’m not going to tolerate very well and wear that for days after so it’s like it becomes a new mindset this cleansing if it’s part of your health strategy you can utilize it in many different sort of flexible ways.

Suzy: I think it’s interesting isn’t it because it is a mindset and then my mind goes back to what you’re talking about when we’re hungry and we’ve stopped our carbs in my world I’ve got health that also talks to me about candida you know like our candida so it’s not us being hungry it’s a candida or the parasites they’re hungry because they don’t have their food cells anymore like the candida loves the sugars of any you know shape or type or description so once we start to withdraw those, our bodies and people might get fuzzy-headed they might be out there their site might be a bit blurry their energy is slow they’re going to get anxious like the symptoms that come out of candida and sugar withdrawal like they’re they are real that’s very true and how to manage that and to know that do you know what, this is not me, I can actually sit with this so if someone’s going through that, what would your recommendation be to the person to deal with that moment because it really is just a moment.

Kimballe: Yes I mean the two main aspects that are going to spike someone’s blood sugar and throw them around in that way is yes the sugars and alcohol and chocolate and all those types of things that are going to enter the blood very quickly, but also stress which is often overlooked because by the adrenals it will spike your blood glucose, so stress combined with carbs really amplifies the how steep and how deep those peaks and troughs are in the blood sugar and that’s really what makes things more confronting makes things more extreme makes us really almost not our original selves, you become this sort of aggravated you know, going through different withdrawals and things like that we can’t be our true self in that sort of metabolic dynamic so doing things to support the nervous system, and so there’s many different ways we can do that and then you know just balancing out the diet or having these sort of healthy snacks like fat bombs and things as opposed to having fruit or candy or other ways of getting through that segment of the day so I like to focus, I really do lead in with these fats I have a range of very super low carb recipes keto pancakes chocolate mousse fat bombs these sorts of things that give someone an entry point into having some alternative that will level out their blood sugar rather than stimulate it again as well at the same time doing something for their nervous system.

Suzy: Yeah I think that’s so important, and I’ve always been taught in fasting, I don’t even know where I was taught this, but it’s just been forever in my mind that it’s not the fast so much as it’s in fact the leading up and the finishing of the fast, so you’re choosing to go in to do a juice fast even or a water fast for an extended time 24 hours and more, then it’s about the lead up so you’re finishing having your coffee your chocolate your drink your alcoholic drink and your pasta and now you decide that you’re going to go on a 24-hour fast right, so it’s like wait there wait there we’ve got to lead the body in is what you’re saying because otherwise you’re going to become another type of human being in that 24 hours and it is going to be painful and then and then I’ll get you to talk on that but just before I do, just on the other side of that is when we’re coming off the fast because when we’re coming off the fast is when we’re actually so our cells have been regenerating our cells in our colon actually regenerate every five days so we’ve had like depending on how long we’ve been doing it’s been having a few days of regeneration right, so then when we come back in and we’re starting to eat again, what we eat is so very important because that’s going to determine your microbial diversity right there so I saw a lot in the fitness industry and this was years ago so this may not be the case but when the athletes get ready and they do their broccoli and chicken for six months and then they do their performance or their show or whatever that they’re doing participating in, they come off and then to celebrate they have their cheat day you know so they might eat pizza Kentucky fried chicken, McDonald’s and whatever and it’s like, wait stop what are you doing, don’t do that to your body because I always felt like that’s sort of like abuse anyway like your poor body you’ve worked so hard and now you’re gonna dump all that really hard. But coming off the fast I think like though they’re the bookends really of the fast and yes we have we do that but what you’re talking about leading up and getting that insulin so you got that right frame of mind I think is really important, just as important as at the other end like and I guess how you’re coming off and how you’re starting and how long you’re doing it for it’s totally dependent on what you’re trying to achieve right like some people will be going in for a specific health concern some people will just want to do it for their every week wellness and decide to do a 5-2 eating regime that might be just what they do, but coming off on that other side to make sure that because it’s a microbial diversity and what I talk about in my world it’s like we can have all your probiotics that you might like and we can get a lot of those now but if they don’t have somewhere to live so as in the wall of the colon, then it’s pointless so what we’re eating after we come off that off that fast it’s really important. Is there anything that you would like to add to that or that you see with your clients with that?

Kimballe: Yes absolutely, that’s like real estate down there so and you know it’s like whatever food you send down there is like putting bait into the jungle who’s going to come out and feed on it so to speak, what microbes are you going to encourage, so you know it just reinforces my interest in you know keeping carbohydrates. I mean all plants salads and things they’re all predominantly carbohydrate with fibre so we get plenty in there we don’t need to add in the other grains and fruits and starchy veg of any particular quantity for health so yeah when we’re having you know just a variety of plants and proteins and fats in in that sort of balanced composition, then you are going to encourage or foster a diversity in the microbiome. If it is a high carbohydrate version then you are going to encourage the candida who are the ones that will ferment those sugars because they are a yeast strain and so they will monopolize the microbiome through their ability to consume those sugars and it’s that excess fermentation that I see in clinic is the main predominant disruption to many, well you’d be surprised how many health conditions are affected by that and so in my impression is that this is actually the core you know driver behind leaky gut just inflamed guts this permeable gut creating a pro-inflammatory immune cascade as a consequence is all driven by this excess of fermentation this this candida activity so it starts to infiltrate and congest the lymphatics it starts affecting allergies the bowel becomes less tolerant of many things skin eruptions foggy brain all of those things fatigue there’s a lot of disruption or a lot of fires that need to be put out by the immune system so all immune challenges then become compromised because of this psycho sucker a fire that that the immune system is trying to put out that’s coming through the gut every meal so you know the immune system is putting out a lot of these fires every time we put more carbohydrates in there there’s more fermentation more inflammation and so depending on your genetics and different sensitivities depending on what type of effect that’s going to have so the cleaner we keep that and this is you know I’ve learned this a lot from you too Suzy I really found doing I don’t know how many colonics I’ve had at bottoms up now that must be over 50 by now and I’ve done week-long ones every month last year of you know doing the fasting every week I was doing a colonics once a week now I’m on a fortnightly schedule with that I’ll do an enema on the off week so I’ve really have discovered that this bio terrain of the gut the old plaques and biofilms and things that get lodged there over the course of time really created a toxic environment for a lot of these things to prosper, so the more that we are able to slowly eliminate this burden from the gut, everything opens up the microbiome has more space to thrive and everything functions better the toxins have a more direct way of elimination the liver is not so congested by having to recycle toxins back through the inter hepatic circulation and there’s a lot of you know ongoing value that comes from that as well.

Suzy: I think um yeah I can hear people gasping and going oh my god that many colonics where does it all fit? And I’d really like just to point out it’s always my little teacher hat comes on here my education because when we’re doing colonics we’re making a flow in your body it’s about giving your body a sense of flow and that’s through all of your cells so yes while we’re targeting the large colon with a closed colonic, it’s like when we clean the river out down the bottom of the stream, it allows the top to flow so when we clean out this down the bottom it is allowing and also reducing the inflammation, but it’s allowing a flow but that flows just not in our digestive system that’s also without all of our cells so the way that we actually do our technique is that we actually ensure that we’ve got the water sitting in your colon through the duration of the session really but the idea of that is flooding your cells so that allows those toxins to lift off and it’s promoting that autophagy that you were talking about you know like we’ve got to get rid of those dead cells and it’s like how many cells do we have? I don’t know around a trillion, how many bacteria’s do we have? Around a trillion, so we have to start to understand that our body is just this ongoing compost that is it’s regenerating itself all of that

Kimballe: There’s a lot of turnover.

Suzy: A lot of turnovers so I can go and have colonics after 15-20 years and the tubes can still be fallen and it’s like people just go surely not it’s like well yes because the thing that and you brought this up before and we don’t talk about this enough when it comes to autoimmune and the diseases of the colon is the stress factor because if we’ve got a high stress then we know that our colon is tight and stressed we just know that so we know now our flow in our body has now become reduced so now we’ve got a problem now we’ve got you know we’ve got imbalances and dysbiosis starting to take because pathogenic bacteria live in a different environment than a good bacteria and yeast, bacteria is in yeast so when we’re stressed and when we’re anxious and when we don’t have time and when we’re busy and when we’re eating things and when we’re not living in our right way that all becomes congested right that that all makes up for that soupy mix as well.

Kimballe: That’s right, yeah well said it’s particularly after a certain age I think there’s been a lot of accumulation. We’ve all been wounded digestively in many different ways through a bit of a bit of a crash test dummy of a generation when it comes to commercial foods and additives and things like that so you know where it’s now coming to more light of how the digestion has had to try and adapt to that you know we’re discovering new forms or levels of injury to the digestion where we’ve now know about SIBO which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth where there can be a retro grade transmission of the pathogenic microbes entering into the small intestine through the ileocecal valve, you know the whole histamine fermentation generation of these microbes and an actually effect of motility so that fermentation produces off-gassing and the two main gases the hydrogen, if that’s a predominant one will create more diarrhea and if there’s more methane with using methanogens it will create more constipation so the actual gases produced by the fermentation have a direct impact on motility itself so there’s all these sorts of dynamics.

Suzy: There is and it can get so complex can’t it and that’s why I just wanted to say two things here but that’s why that’s why fasting is such a nice technique because it allows our body the space we don’t have to try and do magic or anything we can just give it some space and if we believe in the body’s own healing ability given the right environment and often it can just be fasting depending on what you’re coming with and you’re going to take different supplements and whatever to support that process but you know it is it is just about that. The thing that I just wanted to come back to was the fermentation, when you’re talking about fermentation in the gut, I prefer to use the word putrification I get concerned when we actually say fermentation in the negative because fermentation in fact is good if we’re fermenting well then, we’re actually processing well?

Kimballe: Yes, I do have a different stance on that just through my personal experience and of course the clients that I’m working with in this in a similar way because that’s true there is the fermentation is a natural activity of the microbiome in the gut and for that we’re thankful that it does a lot of positive things but I think what you’re describing there is fermentation imbalance, not to demonize fermentation is a bad thing, candida is actually a commensal native strain of our microbiome and it’s there for important reason particularly in times of food scarcity where it doesn’t need much more so of a food to keep the activity alive and I think that’s the main role of candida is to be able to do that because of its ability to ferment or to consume these sugars it’s able to do that very readily it’s just that we’re in this uh completely different paradigm now of over consumption and frequent grazing way of eating that the candida then quickly becomes overwhelmed and fermentation then becomes a bit of a problem because of the excess of it so it’s really only the excess that’s the problem not the fermentation and so that’s been my finding I see this in the tongue signs in the iris signs in my own health in my client’s symptom journey that there’s a pretty much a pandemic out there of excess fermentation just simply because we have access to so many carbohydrates and so that tends to have a bit of a burden in that sense that just needs to be balanced out and regulated and so we just have to be very mindful so you know depending on your sensitivity to them depending if you have allergies, a range of these sorts of issues will determine how much you can tolerate and how much is going to create a balanced effect rather than an overwhelming effect.

Suzy: Yeah, it’s such a rabbit hole isn’t it we could go down many many many rabbit holes, I just don’t like us to think, I think words are so important because people pick up words and then all of a sudden it’s either a negative or a positive word and I think in the role of digestion it’s not, it’s about balance and we have to actually as you said excess or not enough it’s like it’s all about a balance and for me my teacher is mother earth actually I’m looking at her and how she breaks things down in her environment and what she actually needs and even to go to a compost bin and but again there’s so many variables to that and we’ve got more variables because we are a human and we have emotions and they come in there as well, so just to finish up I’m just wondering, I’m gonna put you on the spot, have you got three tips for someone that’s wanting to go on the cleansing journey? Just to finish up with that you would like people to have as a takeaway.

Kimballe: Okay yes so, I would start with before you make any changes, I would start with increasing the amount of healthy fats in your diet. And that’s most of the fats but it excludes you know the trans fats, so that’s vegetable oils, margarine, and any of these fats that are commercialized to for their shelf life. So, the healthy ones are you know coconut oil, olive oil, whole range avocado oil all of these, yes fish oils and evening primrose and so many and then of course you’ll have the natural fats within the proteins within the fish the chicken the meats as you prefer and I’m very generous with those things in the cooking pan or roasting pan maybe an extra salad dressing so that that way it will naturally start to train your metabolism to be more fat-adapted, so it will be more balanced, it won’t be fluctuating so much and you will feel more able to have greater capacity to start closing your eating window so if you can aim towards two meals a day to begin with as a general way of eating, then you’re already moving in the right direction, you’ve already demonstrated to yourself that you can function quite well without breakfast for example and then I would you know aim to whatever frequency you’re comfortable is whether it’s once a month once a fortnight once a week have some kind of cleansing effort whether it’s you know the bone broth or the soup or the green juice without the fruit you know like the smoothie types that you know lemon and greens and avocado and celery that sort of thing…

Suzy: No mangoes.

Kimballe: No, no they’re very fermentable the fodmap foods yes that’s right so that way you are creating sort of a mini challenge to yourself as to how well you cope in this lighter low caloric cleansing day and then it’s like it’s like a muscle, I think it’s just something that needs to be strengthened and practice so you get more confident with it so that’s why I think the regular effort is the best way forward because you’re only dipping your toe in you’re just doing these little ones not these big extensive detoxes and have to go away for a retreat and you’re going to be sleeping all day and getting massages although that would be a nice way to do it but we all have busy lives so I think rather than waiting for those opportunities it’s much more productive for us to do these little mini versions in the light of our busy life and just choose the day of the week that’s you know a bit lighter or a bit more convenient. I mean I find that I’m very switched on, my concentration is great, I actually have better energy and I don’t have any hunger on those days so I actually look forward to it. I have these really productive work days Tuesdays and Wednesdays every week so you know but just to ease into it lightly make sure that you have electrolytes in your drinking water the unsweetened type that’s going to help avoid headaches and keep the cellular activity going and then you know seek some professional advice around what sort of support you may need whether it’s for the liver, kidney lymphatics and any kind of metabolic or cellular needs any kind of historic issues that might complain a bit if you challenge yourself that might need a bit more direct support or things like that but yeah I think this is the way to enter into it gradually.

Suzy: And it’s just it is very much a step-by-step thing isn’t it and it is very much about finding some support because I think it’s always good to have a support around you when you’re doing this stuff. Kimballe, it’s been awesome chatting with you today thank you for taking your time out of your schedule to hang out with us today and just to dive in these different places and as we said it’s a rabbit hole and there’s so many different varied ideas and I guess my hope is that in people finding their own journey to health is that they can grasp little bits of information that have worked for other people and professionals so that we can actually reclaim our health and you know sink back into our body and get the joy out of it of what it’s supposed to be so thanks for joining us today

Kimballe: It’s been my great pleasure, Suzy.

Suzy: If anyone has any questions or information this is going to be on all of our socials, it will be on Kimballe’s social as well and I will put his contact details underneath. Until next time listeners, I can’t wait to chat with you again in a couple of weeks’ time. See ya.